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		<title>By: Yvonne Bray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvonne Bray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than go into all the reasons, I disagree with Lederman&#039;s paper, I respectfully suggest you read Glenn Withers&#039; response: http://www.ausphysio.com/Files/files-filename-24.pdf

As a classically trained Pilates professional, I am disheartened at the lack of knowledge about the method, the hours of training and what we actually do. Exacerbating the problem is there are many streams of Pilates now and all not the same by any stretch of the imagination. The method is widely taught in community centres by inadequately trained teachers. Safe protocol is not followed. There is a huge difference in training with a certified professional. The fundamentals of Pilates are not being taught. Cues are not explained adequately. Medical forms are not requested. Classes are too large and students cannot be watched carefully. I just tweeted (I am PSPilates) about a friend who wrote to me to tell me she was taught advanced Pilates exercises in a beginner class in a community centre. With the demographics of the baby boomer generation and increased risk of injury, the public needs to be educated about the risks of these classes. Studio rates are high but there is a reason for that. In the end, you often get what you pay for. The public needs to know to ask to see the teacher&#039;s certifications and then to check into their training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than go into all the reasons, I disagree with Lederman&#8217;s paper, I respectfully suggest you read Glenn Withers&#8217; response: <a href="http://www.ausphysio.com/Files/files-filename-24.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ausphysio.com/Files/files-filename-24.pdf</a></p>
<p>As a classically trained Pilates professional, I am disheartened at the lack of knowledge about the method, the hours of training and what we actually do. Exacerbating the problem is there are many streams of Pilates now and all not the same by any stretch of the imagination. The method is widely taught in community centres by inadequately trained teachers. Safe protocol is not followed. There is a huge difference in training with a certified professional. The fundamentals of Pilates are not being taught. Cues are not explained adequately. Medical forms are not requested. Classes are too large and students cannot be watched carefully. I just tweeted (I am PSPilates) about a friend who wrote to me to tell me she was taught advanced Pilates exercises in a beginner class in a community centre. With the demographics of the baby boomer generation and increased risk of injury, the public needs to be educated about the risks of these classes. Studio rates are high but there is a reason for that. In the end, you often get what you pay for. The public needs to know to ask to see the teacher&#8217;s certifications and then to check into their training.</p>
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		<title>By: Mykael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mykael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to clarify something first.  Are we saying that a plank or side plank or Swiss Ball rollout or pike are all in the &quot;standing position&quot; too?  Or by &quot;standing position&quot; do we mean literally on your feet?  Because if the former are considered &quot;standing&quot; then my argument will change completely and I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to clarify something first.  Are we saying that a plank or side plank or Swiss Ball rollout or pike are all in the &#8220;standing position&#8221; too?  Or by &#8220;standing position&#8221; do we mean literally on your feet?  Because if the former are considered &#8220;standing&#8221; then my argument will change completely and I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Sal</title>
		<link>http://www.personaltrainercoach.com/myth-core-stability-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1202</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received the following email and have the authors permission to post it here.

&quot;Let me give a little background on Dr. Lederman.  What he is speaking
about is a specific technique of core activation that targets two
muscles in isolation, that is the lumbar multifidius &amp; the transversus
abdominus.  The techniques involve pressing your lower back into a
specialized pressure cuff, and sucking your belly button in in
different positions- guided by ultrasonic imaging.  This is popular is
some physical therapy clinics that specialize in back pain.

He is not speaking of core training in general.  Mykael reminds us
that core training should be &quot;purposeful&quot;.  That is, if an individual
is involved in an activity which requires them to get off their back
in a hurry (police, wrestlers, military etc) then a good percentage of
their time should be done in horizontal floor.  We can even take that
concept a step further and say if this athlete might take a blow to
the mid section (football, boxing) then some isolated ab training may
also be considered &quot;purposeful&quot;.

However, when we speak of upright function, the role of the core
changes into one of integration &amp; coordination of the upper &amp; lower
extremities.  If you follow my blog, I suggest the concept of
&quot;reactive core&quot;. (You can visit Joe&#039;s web site at http://joestrainingroom.blogspot.com/)  I have a problem with the &quot;rigid pillar&quot; concept
that Verstegan et al speak of. I prefer the idea of the core being
reactive to high velocity changes of arms &amp; limbs (sprinting, throwing
etc).  Here different types of skips (such as Hans Boche advocates)
and jumping jacks can be considered &quot;core ready&quot; exercises.

It this situation, when we decide to return to the floor, we must be
sure we are getting something that we can&#039;t get upright.  Vern
Gambetta recommends, in these athletes that no more than 10% of their
core training be on the floor.  I&#039;m not sure where he came up with
that, but clinically I think it&#039;s right on.

It is amazing to me that I&#039;ve read the exact same books that Mike
Boyle has read, and have come to different conclusions.  But yes
Makael, he has produced.

Joe Przytula ATC
Elizabeth High School NJ USA&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received the following email and have the authors permission to post it here.</p>
<p>&#8220;Let me give a little background on Dr. Lederman.  What he is speaking<br />
about is a specific technique of core activation that targets two<br />
muscles in isolation, that is the lumbar multifidius &#038; the transversus<br />
abdominus.  The techniques involve pressing your lower back into a<br />
specialized pressure cuff, and sucking your belly button in in<br />
different positions- guided by ultrasonic imaging.  This is popular is<br />
some physical therapy clinics that specialize in back pain.</p>
<p>He is not speaking of core training in general.  Mykael reminds us<br />
that core training should be &#8220;purposeful&#8221;.  That is, if an individual<br />
is involved in an activity which requires them to get off their back<br />
in a hurry (police, wrestlers, military etc) then a good percentage of<br />
their time should be done in horizontal floor.  We can even take that<br />
concept a step further and say if this athlete might take a blow to<br />
the mid section (football, boxing) then some isolated ab training may<br />
also be considered &#8220;purposeful&#8221;.</p>
<p>However, when we speak of upright function, the role of the core<br />
changes into one of integration &#038; coordination of the upper &#038; lower<br />
extremities.  If you follow my blog, I suggest the concept of<br />
&#8220;reactive core&#8221;. (You can visit Joe&#8217;s web site at <a href="http://joestrainingroom.blogspot.com/)" rel="nofollow">http://joestrainingroom.blogspot.com/)</a>  I have a problem with the &#8220;rigid pillar&#8221; concept<br />
that Verstegan et al speak of. I prefer the idea of the core being<br />
reactive to high velocity changes of arms &#038; limbs (sprinting, throwing<br />
etc).  Here different types of skips (such as Hans Boche advocates)<br />
and jumping jacks can be considered &#8220;core ready&#8221; exercises.</p>
<p>It this situation, when we decide to return to the floor, we must be<br />
sure we are getting something that we can&#8217;t get upright.  Vern<br />
Gambetta recommends, in these athletes that no more than 10% of their<br />
core training be on the floor.  I&#8217;m not sure where he came up with<br />
that, but clinically I think it&#8217;s right on.</p>
<p>It is amazing to me that I&#8217;ve read the exact same books that Mike<br />
Boyle has read, and have come to different conclusions.  But yes<br />
Makael, he has produced.</p>
<p>Joe Przytula ATC<br />
Elizabeth High School NJ USA&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sal</title>
		<link>http://www.personaltrainercoach.com/myth-core-stability-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1201</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received the following email and have the authors permission to post it here.

&quot;Let me give a little background on Dr. Lederman.  What he is speaking
about is a specific technique of core activation that targets two
muscles in isolation, that is the lumbar multifidius &amp; the transversus
abdominus.  The techniques involve pressing your lower back into a
specialized pressure cuff, and sucking your belly button in in
different positions- guided by ultrasonic imaging.  This is popular is
some physical therapy clinics that specialize in back pain.

He is not speaking of core training in general.  Mykael reminds us
that core training should be &quot;purposeful&quot;.  That is, if an individual
is involved in an activity which requires them to get off their back
in a hurry (police, wrestlers, military etc) then a good percentage of
their time should be done in horizontal floor.  We can even take that
concept a step further and say if this athlete might take a blow to
the mid section (football, boxing) then some isolated ab training may
also be considered &quot;purposeful&quot;.

However, when we speak of upright function, the role of the core
changes into one of integration &amp; coordination of the upper &amp; lower
extremities.  If you follow my blog, I suggest the concept of
&quot;reactive core&quot;.  I have a problem with the &quot;rigid pillar&quot; concept
that Verstegan et al speak of. I prefer the idea of the core being
reactive to high velocity changes of arms &amp; limbs (sprinting, throwing
etc).  Here different types of skips (such as Hans Boche advocates)
and jumping jacks can be considered &quot;core ready&quot; exercises.

It this situation, when we decide to return to the floor, we must be
sure we are getting something that we can&#039;t get upright.  Vern
Gambetta recommends, in these athletes that no more than 10% of their
core training be on the floor.  I&#039;m not sure where he came up with
that, but clinically I think it&#039;s right on.

It is amazing to me that I&#039;ve read the exact same books that Mike
Boyle has read, and have come to different conclusions.  But yes
Makael, he has produced.

Joe Przytula ATC
Elizabeth High School NJ USA&quot;

You can visit Joe&#039;s web site at
http://joestrainingroom.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received the following email and have the authors permission to post it here.</p>
<p>&#8220;Let me give a little background on Dr. Lederman.  What he is speaking<br />
about is a specific technique of core activation that targets two<br />
muscles in isolation, that is the lumbar multifidius &#038; the transversus<br />
abdominus.  The techniques involve pressing your lower back into a<br />
specialized pressure cuff, and sucking your belly button in in<br />
different positions- guided by ultrasonic imaging.  This is popular is<br />
some physical therapy clinics that specialize in back pain.</p>
<p>He is not speaking of core training in general.  Mykael reminds us<br />
that core training should be &#8220;purposeful&#8221;.  That is, if an individual<br />
is involved in an activity which requires them to get off their back<br />
in a hurry (police, wrestlers, military etc) then a good percentage of<br />
their time should be done in horizontal floor.  We can even take that<br />
concept a step further and say if this athlete might take a blow to<br />
the mid section (football, boxing) then some isolated ab training may<br />
also be considered &#8220;purposeful&#8221;.</p>
<p>However, when we speak of upright function, the role of the core<br />
changes into one of integration &#038; coordination of the upper &#038; lower<br />
extremities.  If you follow my blog, I suggest the concept of<br />
&#8220;reactive core&#8221;.  I have a problem with the &#8220;rigid pillar&#8221; concept<br />
that Verstegan et al speak of. I prefer the idea of the core being<br />
reactive to high velocity changes of arms &#038; limbs (sprinting, throwing<br />
etc).  Here different types of skips (such as Hans Boche advocates)<br />
and jumping jacks can be considered &#8220;core ready&#8221; exercises.</p>
<p>It this situation, when we decide to return to the floor, we must be<br />
sure we are getting something that we can&#8217;t get upright.  Vern<br />
Gambetta recommends, in these athletes that no more than 10% of their<br />
core training be on the floor.  I&#8217;m not sure where he came up with<br />
that, but clinically I think it&#8217;s right on.</p>
<p>It is amazing to me that I&#8217;ve read the exact same books that Mike<br />
Boyle has read, and have come to different conclusions.  But yes<br />
Makael, he has produced.</p>
<p>Joe Przytula ATC<br />
Elizabeth High School NJ USA&#8221;</p>
<p>You can visit Joe&#8217;s web site at<br />
<a href="http://joestrainingroom.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://joestrainingroom.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sal</title>
		<link>http://www.personaltrainercoach.com/myth-core-stability-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1143</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;His position is logical from a practical standpoint, in that if you live, work and play while standing, walking and running, you should exercise in these positions and not while kneeling, lying or sitting.&quot;

Clearly from this passage and from the reference to the principle of specificity Professor Lederman says exactly what you are saying.  The example of the MMA fighter is addressed with the recognition of this principle. And with few, valid exceptions in the athletic world and for the average Joe, working the core while kneeling or lying down is in fact useless.  And keep in mind the words of Vern Gambetta, all work is core work.

To the point about the ab wheel, performing it from a standing position is more difficult than from a kneeling position and therefore, IMHO, has more functional value regardless of who is doing it.

Thanks for participating in the dialog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;His position is logical from a practical standpoint, in that if you live, work and play while standing, walking and running, you should exercise in these positions and not while kneeling, lying or sitting.&#8221;</p>
<p>Clearly from this passage and from the reference to the principle of specificity Professor Lederman says exactly what you are saying.  The example of the MMA fighter is addressed with the recognition of this principle. And with few, valid exceptions in the athletic world and for the average Joe, working the core while kneeling or lying down is in fact useless.  And keep in mind the words of Vern Gambetta, all work is core work.</p>
<p>To the point about the ab wheel, performing it from a standing position is more difficult than from a kneeling position and therefore, IMHO, has more functional value regardless of who is doing it.</p>
<p>Thanks for participating in the dialog!</p>
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		<title>By: Mykael</title>
		<link>http://www.personaltrainercoach.com/myth-core-stability-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1111</link>
		<dc:creator>Mykael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WORKING THE CORE WHILE KNEELING OR LYING IS USELESS

I&#039;d say by the title, it&#039;s more of a sales thing. . .If it read something less dramatic, that might be a different story.

Tell a MMA wrestler that training his core in a lying position where he might be for 3 minutes of a round is &quot;useless.&quot;  The ab wheel is done in a kneeling position, tell Mike Boyle it&#039;s &quot;useless.&quot;  

There might be better options depending on a tons of things, but guys who produce the best athletes in the world, recommend stuff because it works.  

One of the major flaws in this article is defining the target audience.  Maybe he is suggesting just the average 9-5 Joe who does no activity.  In that sense I can agree to a lot of the points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WORKING THE CORE WHILE KNEELING OR LYING IS USELESS</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say by the title, it&#8217;s more of a sales thing. . .If it read something less dramatic, that might be a different story.</p>
<p>Tell a MMA wrestler that training his core in a lying position where he might be for 3 minutes of a round is &#8220;useless.&#8221;  The ab wheel is done in a kneeling position, tell Mike Boyle it&#8217;s &#8220;useless.&#8221;  </p>
<p>There might be better options depending on a tons of things, but guys who produce the best athletes in the world, recommend stuff because it works.  </p>
<p>One of the major flaws in this article is defining the target audience.  Maybe he is suggesting just the average 9-5 Joe who does no activity.  In that sense I can agree to a lot of the points.</p>
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		<title>By: Sal</title>
		<link>http://www.personaltrainercoach.com/myth-core-stability-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Professor Lederman provides plenty of legitimate data to support his position, which by the way, is pretty much in total agreement with Vern Gambetta and Gary Gray, two leaders in the field who advocate the approach championed in this paper.

Also, this is an approach that has been in use at the highest levels of the profession for the quite a while.  It&#039;s quite a stretch to make the case that Professor Lederman is engaged in an attempt to sell a trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Professor Lederman provides plenty of legitimate data to support his position, which by the way, is pretty much in total agreement with Vern Gambetta and Gary Gray, two leaders in the field who advocate the approach championed in this paper.</p>
<p>Also, this is an approach that has been in use at the highest levels of the profession for the quite a while.  It&#8217;s quite a stretch to make the case that Professor Lederman is engaged in an attempt to sell a trend.</p>
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		<title>By: Mykael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mykael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose I&#039;ll never play a sport, or fall down, or sit in my chair at work all day, or even sit up out of bed.

I&#039;ll never do another pushup, no way I would be able to stabalize that.

We do not live in a 2D world...not everything, at least in my life, is standing.  Once in awhile I like to be prone...heck sometimes even supine.  

This paper is just an attempt to create a new &quot;trend&quot; to sell...don&#039;t waste our time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I&#8217;ll never play a sport, or fall down, or sit in my chair at work all day, or even sit up out of bed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll never do another pushup, no way I would be able to stabalize that.</p>
<p>We do not live in a 2D world&#8230;not everything, at least in my life, is standing.  Once in awhile I like to be prone&#8230;heck sometimes even supine.  </p>
<p>This paper is just an attempt to create a new &#8220;trend&#8221; to sell&#8230;don&#8217;t waste our time.</p>
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